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of defense. hagel testified before the senate armed services committed tee this week. is senator john mccain grilling hagel about hagel's opposition to the surge in iraq in 2007. >> were you correct in your judgment. >> i would defer that to history. >> when you were right or wrong about the surge. >> i'll explain why i played those comments. >> i want to know if you were right or wrong. that is a direct question. i expect a direct answer. >> senator hagel explained he opposed the surge in iraq because it cost nearly 1200 american lives. >> i saw the consequences and the suffering and the horror of war. so i did question a surge. i always ask the question, is this going to be worth the sacrifice? because there will be sacrifice. >> that was hagel's emphasis on the cost factor. my question is this. his emphasis on the cost factor in military decisions, does it serve as a dodge to senator mccain's bullet? or did he mean this completely from the heart? and if he did, isn't he exactly the man we want over at the department of defense? >> he was talking about the cost of lives. >> that's correct.
by a slim margin. one of the most damages remarks came from john mccain over the iraq troop surge. >> would you please answer the question. were you correct or incorrect when you said the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since vietnam. were you correct or incorrect? yes or no? >> my reference to -- >> are you answering the question, senator hagel? the question is were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straightforward question. i want you to answer whether you were right or wrong and then u you're free to elaborate. >> i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer to a lot of things. >> let the record show he refuses to answer that question. >> with us now is washington chief correspondent and host of "face the nation," bob schieffer. bob, good morning. i think they were disappointed. they usually press their nominees. >> well, thankfully -- and let's not forget, chuck hagel was the co-chairman of john mccain's presidential campaign when john mccain ran the first time. this is stunning. but i agree with you. i mean generally on something like this w
, this comes from people like john mccain and others, you know, who very much oppose enhanced interrogation. and he has some experience as obviously he does. and other people, a, because of american values, even stan mcchrystal said this. >> i read his book. it's a good book. >> okay. do you agree with his position? when you say enhanced interrogation, why don't we call it what many believe it ought to be called, torture? >> because it's not. >> what's the difference? >> the difference is we went through a long, difficult, and labored process with the justice department before we started the enhanced interrogation programs. >> tell us where the red line is. do we got approval for the programs that did go, that they were "not torture." and we got signed off by the president of the united states, by the entire national security council, briefing on all of those programs. >> but we stopped water boarding. >> we did. >> because? >> because there was so much flack over it. >> but if it was getting such good results -- >> it got good results. >> but there are still people at guantanamo -- >> yeah
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